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Unless the code of the 2 pages exactly replicates, they are not duplicates.
I'M absolutely agree with you .
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I'M absolutely agree with you .
Ohh so very nice that you agree.. but where is the WHY you agree.
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Ohh so very nice that you agree.. but where is the WHY you agree.
That the 2 pages exactly replicates
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but the better option would be to disallow the directory via Robots.txt file or the no follow attribute for the shop page.
Ok, I have disallowed the /store/ directory and added the noindex for the second website.

So now for my main website (also CMS Wordpress but without the ecwid plugin, I installed the widget manually in each page) I still have a problem. I understand that I can make a page PER category. And that this is not duplicate content. So basically I thought it was all good.... but then i remembered... my site is multilingual.

So I have
-4 pages for Category A (English,German,Dutch,Russian)
-4 pages for Category B (English,German,Dutch,Russian)
-4 pages for Category C (English,German,Dutch,Russian)

For an example just go to prayer-bracelet(dot)com and use the language selector flags to see what I mean.

If I understand correctly this is all duplicate content, because the same category is loaded in each translated page.

>> Please tell me there is a way to only NO-INDEX my store and keep the multilingual pages in tact. I do not care about the ecwid part not being indexed... the pages are optimized themselves.

Suggestions are welcome...

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Ok, I have disallowed the /store/ directory and added the noindex for the second website.

So now for my main website (also CMS Wordpress but without the ecwid plugin, I installed the widget manually in each page) I still have a problem. I understand that I can make a page PER category. And that this is not duplicate content. So basically I thought it was all good.... but then i remembered... my site is multilingual.

So I have
-4 pages for Category A (English,German,Dutch,Russian)
-4 pages for Category B (English,German,Dutch,Russian)
-4 pages for Category C (English,German,Dutch,Russian)

For an example just go to prayer-bracelet(dot)com and use the language selector flags to see what I mean.

If I understand correctly this is all duplicate content, because the same category is loaded in each translated page.

>> Please tell me there is a way to only NO-INDEX my store and keep the multilingual pages in tact. I do not care about the ecwid part not being indexed... the pages are optimized themselves.

Suggestions are welcome...
Hello,

First of all, I'd like to point out that generally duplicate content is not an issue unless you do it deliberately for fooling search engines. Search engines deals with a lot amount of duplicates on the web and there is no big difference between how they index unique pages or duplicate pages. The difference becomes noticeable when someone uses search engine - on that step, a search engine decides whether it should display both versions or just one (which is more relevant). Google guidelines say:
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Duplicate content generally refers to substantive blocks of content within or across domains that either completely match other content or are appreciably similar. Mostly, this is not deceptive in origin. Examples of non-malicious duplicate content could include:
  • Discussion forums that can generate both regular and stripped-down pages targeted at mobile devices
  • Store items shown or linked via multiple distinct URLs
  • Printer-only versions of web pages
Indeed, there are many cases in which duplication is normal and shouldn't be an issue (I think multi-language pages is one of such cases, by the way). Of course, nobody wants to be banned by Google so I understand your worries. Indeed, it is best to comply with search engines recommendations regarding the matter, i.e. not only avoid deliberate fooling search robots with duplicating but also proactively address duplicate content issues. Well, search engines are different and there is no ready step-by-step instruction on how to do this or that for improve indexation in all of them. On the other hand, each of them has its own recommendations. For example, please find the Google's advice on how to address duplicate content issues. I think this article describes it in details:
http://support.google.com/webmasters...n&answer=66359

As to your sites, I've inspected them and as far as I can see, there is nothing to worry about. On the other hand, I might miss something, so please provide an example - two URLs that you think may probably cause an issue.
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Old 12-19-2012, 02:04 PM
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Dear Matvey,

Thank you for your answer.

I am worried about these pages of causing duplicate content:

http://www.prayer-bracelet.com/
http://www.prayer-bracelet.com/nl/
http://www.prayer-bracelet.com/de/
http://www.prayer-bracelet.com/ru/

Basically these 4 pages have the same ecwid category page (pasted manually). I do not use the wordpress plugin. The multilingual aspect of the website is handled by the WPML wordpress plugin.

Next to these pages i am also worried about the following page (also separate category ecwid store)and its 3 translations:

http://www.prayer-bracelet.com/prayer-necklaces/

and the same for (also separate category):

http://www.prayer-bracelet.com/praye...lets-for-kids/

and the same for (also separate category):

http://www.prayer-bracelet.com/orthodox-keychains/

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The Google Panda, and after that the Google Penguin updates specifically target spammy websites. Although google mostly looks at your link profile, and spammy link networks, they also look for over optimization and quality of content. The last part about quality of content covers duplicate content. I know a lot of people that were hit... most of them due to overoptimization, and links, but also several due to duplicate content (scrapers who duplicated their content over the web). SO hence i am worried.
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Old 12-20-2012, 10:24 AM
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Dear Matvey,

Thank you for your answer.

I am worried about these pages of causing duplicate content:

http://www.prayer-bracelet.com/
http://www.prayer-bracelet.com/nl/
http://www.prayer-bracelet.com/de/
http://www.prayer-bracelet.com/ru/

Basically these 4 pages have the same ecwid category page (pasted manually). I do not use the wordpress plugin. The multilingual aspect of the website is handled by the WPML wordpress plugin.

Next to these pages i am also worried about the following page (also separate category ecwid store)and its 3 translations:

http://www.prayer-bracelet.com/prayer-necklaces/

and the same for (also separate category):

http://www.prayer-bracelet.com/praye...lets-for-kids/

and the same for (also separate category):

http://www.prayer-bracelet.com/orthodox-keychains/

------------

The Google Panda, and after that the Google Penguin updates specifically target spammy websites. Although google mostly looks at your link profile, and spammy link networks, they also look for over optimization and quality of content. The last part about quality of content covers duplicate content. I know a lot of people that were hit... most of them due to overoptimization, and links, but also several due to duplicate content (scrapers who duplicated their content over the web). SO hence i am worried.

I don't think multilingual content in your case can be considered as duplicate - each page contains its own text. As to Ecwid categories on those pages, Google does not see them at all since you don't use the plugin. Google cannot by default index Javascript/AJAX content. You can simply check what pages on your site is indexed with a search query like this:
http://goo.gl/QE62l

I think that even if Google did see your store products/categories, it would cause no issue - you place your store items on different sections of your site (for different languages) because they all definitely need to contain them.

Please also refer to this Google article regarding multilingual site content:
http://support.google.com/webmasters...&answer=182192
(Especially, pay attention to the last part of the article).
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Hi Max,

I received your private message and responded. I thought I would shine some light on the topic, especially considering I haven't posted here a while.

Regarding your multilingual page concern. You will be just fine as long as you don't have your multilingual pages show up in all the same regions. You can specify the language with a meta tag.

<meta name="language" content="Spanish">

Something like that should work, just be sure to check exactly what the language needs to be per your translated sites.

Regarding your duplicate content question. For our business model, disallowing the store sub directory to be indexed is good. We don't showcase a ton of products and I like to have full control over our landing pages without having the restrictions of the ecwid template. Of course this adds an extra step in the sales funnel, we've yet to see this directly effect our abandonment rate.

If you are showcasing many different products and you have a very broad target audience. You need the ability to make changes on the fly without having to do a ton of extra work. While Ecwid provides ease of use when it comes to updating products, they are still not up to par with finding a solution that allows you to have an ecwid store and compete with the big dogs when it comes to being ranked for very competitive keywords.

I'm sure they are well aware of this issue and it's just not a simple fix. While they are heading in the right direction by already making crucial updates to cart url structure, they are still lacking the ability to have dynamic keywords show up in the url structure and also the ability to generate meta titles for each url.

Hope this helps
 
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